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Forte
04 Feb, 2016 2:05 am

Art is anything you can put love and/or care into making.

The notion that art is only true art if it's completely original is moot, because we're so influenced by different concepts and sensations throughout our lives, everything gets filtered through you, and influences your art in some way.

So really, nothing is original. But anything can be artistic. If you don't want to consider something art because it doesn't live up to your ideals, fine. But you don't get to dictate what is and isn't art.

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vis_in_vis
11 Dec, 2015 9:14 am

i totally understand what are you saying Luv 2 , and i agree is great to be happy and inspired by what you like , what you  love is what you love..there is no argue about that.
But a featured artist should not only copy , should not have a gallery made by copied pictures , and why ?
I keep seeing this excuse..internet is a free place , but it is ? if you post your pic  maybe someone will make a portrait with it , maybe someone will save it , but if someone will say she is the one from the pic? sounds ok? music is free too , you can play after a song , you can use to learn how to make music , but can you repost it and say that is yours? that you made the effort to imagine it , compose it , made it from 0 and all? you can make a parody after a movie , you can learn how to make special effects or maybe acting but if you totally copy it and even if you give credits about the original..you may end up in jail )) and if anyone looks at more serious drawing sites , i don t know many examples..only deviantart , you can post fan fic where you give credits , fan art , with credits..anything works but no way to redraw someone else's image , you don t have the owner approval , either is about a drawing , photo , etc , and if you all check out you ll see here on rmd cases where real owner of pictures , or people that were simply checking the site kind of shamed the people that did this .
Someone who use different refs for a drawing at least make a composition too not only  using  the % effort and % skills in the result , someone who do not use refs , even more..imagination , but someone who just  take something that is not even hers/his  and do it ..i will keep my opinion that should not be featured cause it is simply wrong to just take from others and not make your own art .
have a perfect day all..

luv2
10 Dec, 2015 4:23 pm

Vis_in_vis I'm not trying to get the last word and perhaps I didn't fully explain my post.
  Topic at hand, featured artist. A featured artist should be able to display that SPECIAL something whether it be mastery of the tools, or creativity that encourages and inspires the rest of us. My personal thought was an artist such as Andriani  and others who have mastered using the tools have inspired me. Whether the board feels they are deserving to be a featured artist is another matter.
   Art in my opinion is something you love, like or dismiss. If you love it, you know immediately, it inspires, makes you feel something.  When I referred to judging I was referring to artist who submit their art to juried shows which  then it is indeed judged by execution, skill, technique, quality, creativity and or set guidelines by scoring rubric. I also have artist friends and they do enjoy submitting their art in these type of shows. 
     I'm an no digital artist, I decided to join this site to explore learning something new with a different type of medium and have some fun too. I do paint on canvas, and digital for me is a quicker way to work on areas that I'm weak in.
  I agree creativity and originality can be in all types of art and is not limited to any genre.
  Since this is the holiday season for many of us, times where we want to be amused and filled with joy, happiness, love, inspiration, and fun draws in a supporting community, I'm extending the olive branch to any who have been offended.  Peace out.  ツ

Andriani
10 Dec, 2015 1:36 pm

Yeah of course everything can be done with imagination and originality I don't know who says the opposite but they are totally wrong and of course there aren't any limits in art and originality and imagination.
Through this conversation I saw your point vis and u are right we (that use ref) don't have any originality and as by featured we mean artists that are here to inspire others then we indeed shouldn't be featured . I personally wouldn't want the featured and top artists categories to be deleted as they have a purpose in this community and this is what u said yourself , to inspire other artists and I have been very inspired by them but if this creates a worst effect and such conflict then they indeed dont need to exist
So I think this conflict should end here, I don't think there's anything else to be said and obviously there's a contradiction that will continue if we don't stop and this will soon have a negative effect to our relationships as a friendly community I take a step back and respect all your opinions guys.

vis_in_vis
10 Dec, 2015 8:35 am

luv2 wrote:

Most art is judged professionally by execution, skill, technique, quality, and of course originality plays into it sometimes as well. Portrait artist aren't going to be based so much on originality but more so on skill, quality and execution. The same can be said for many famous landmarks, scenery, still life, and of course animals,birds, and etc.
  In my opinion fantasy art has the biggest room for originality.
Luckily we are all free to form our own opinions.   
   ツ

luv 2 what are you talking about here and why ? i am talking about the artist that should be featured next .
if you answer simply cause you need to have the last word i ll simply stop cause this is useless.
my personal opinion is that art should not be judged cause it is impossible.
But let s talk about real world ..who are those professionals that you are talking about?
i know real painters and artist that will never copy , in this world when you see a reproduction you kind of laugh and don t take that person seriously cause the one who did it could be anyone , the most important thing you want to have is originality , you want that people to see your painting and knew that is yours .
If it s about being a real digital artist..like paid ones  you probably need great skills and speed , you should be capable to make reproduction but the reason for why you are hired is cause you have to  be able to deliver very fast new original stuff ..
I will never understand why someone says portraits can t be done with imagination (and originality) , everything can , fantasy , realism , they are simply categories . Imagination has no limits , only skills , ink , trust in your self , those are limited .
Anyway  . like the top and all this featured could be simply deleted , cause i see they create this stupid argue instead of being a place where to be inspired  ( by original art of course )))

luv2
08 Dec, 2015 7:18 pm

Most art is judged professionally by execution, skill, technique, quality, and of course originality plays into it sometimes as well. Portrait artist aren't going to be based so much on originality but more so on skill, quality and execution. The same can be said for many famous landmarks, scenery, still life, and of course animals,birds, and etc.
  In my opinion fantasy art has the biggest room for originality.
Luckily we are all free to form our own opinions.   
   ツ

Fliomania
08 Dec, 2015 7:11 pm

I'm sure everybody here is really good at drawing realism. Instead of arguing about it, why don't we all draw something realistic and prove how easy it is to draw it. Here is my best piece http://www.ratemydrawings.com/drawings/ … 3454.html. I would like to see everyone's best realistic work in rmd.

vis_in_vis
08 Dec, 2015 6:31 pm

Here was not about what people should do ..cause if we talk about that
people that are creating with any level of skills should be not disqualified either
and if you look around you ll see they are , cause 99% of people will call "art" things that they easily recognize  . A perfect copy will always attract more attention , and i have nothing against being recognized and is probably obvious that the author is skilled and probably some effort was put into that drawing .
But art has nothing to do with skills and effort ,  is about being capable to explore more than what you see .( of course that if the person has the skills too and put effort that s even better)


i keep loosing my drawings so i got time to actually explain for the last time very clear
people that use refs and mostly copy will have enough exposure in top , etc
people that are not doing this will be mostly ignored so being featured is a really good way for them to be discovered and in the same time they will not have the  pressure to need to copy just to be seen .. which will keep them real artists )) ( my personal opinion yes )
and lastly those who have a gallery of only copies..is no reason for them to be featured if they don t have anything to tell more than what great copy machines they are..

Andriani
08 Dec, 2015 5:14 pm

Well this is your opinion and I respect that smile
I agree with u that we shouldn't lose ur style and artists creating their own artwork should have a priority to be feature but I think we shouldn't disqualify artists that copy for example photos but have mastered this skill and put a lot of effort into their drawings smile

vis_in_vis
08 Dec, 2015 11:04 am

i tried realism  it and is easy for me , so i can say it s easy if i want smile
And the idea is to master anything  but still be yourself , this thread is about who should be featured so i said that people that can do something else beside copying should be the ones that are featured . And i don t really care if anyone disagree

Andriani
07 Dec, 2015 4:30 pm

vis_in_vis wrote:

but the part in the brain that is used to copy something is other that the one used for creation , so yeah.. someone who cares to improve should learn and master realism

Yeah but this doesnt mean that u cant improve a lot ur drawing by realism (i refer to using references here).
When drawing realistic (with ref) u learn a lot that u can then use in ur own drawings if u wish to.
And of course in order to  make ur own drawings u have to use ref first u have to have some basic skills and know how to use proportions and how to apply shadows or else ur drawing will just be out of place and will not be convincing (especially when u do ur own realistic drawings), even for abstract art u need to have some basic skills.
Also mastering realism doesnt mean u lack creativity(I believe everything has it own creativity, realism too).
And just because we refer to the term "realism" it doesnt mean its always copying and defenitely not always reference.
And here u will say that most times we need ref to make the drawing look more convincing , yes i agree but if u have mastered realism then u will be able to draw realistic without a ref or u just may use for example a photo just to get the shape of a specific object in your art piece

vis_in_vis wrote:

but if that person can t get over it , then should not be featured here..cause that was all about , about being capable to bring something new , and show yourself , not show what some other artist did ..cause we all know what they did ..

I will have to disagree here, as relicxth, alythefab and luv2 said realism isnt easy and i wouldnt say many people have mastered it, it takes great efford and practice to make a good realistic piece and this work should be rewarded fairly.
Furthermore, realism doesnt mean u copy some other artists work ,usually u copy a picture and its not common to use a drawing to make another drawing so u dont copy anyone.
Though if ur talking about artists that try to copy another artist's style .. well thats a completely other story that doesnt apply only to realism.

vis_in_vis wrote:

and i do believe that age has absolutely no importance , you can be 2 years old and a great artist and being a kid and having a kid imagination is great
but not a disney brainwashed kid )))

I didnt understand that last part , u mean that if u like (or be a little too hooked on) Disney u cant be a great artist ?
That drawing characters from Disney isnt considered art?

relicxth
06 Dec, 2015 10:17 pm

just because your picture looks realistic doesn't mean it's easy. Realism is one of the hardest forms to master. Yeah your picture looks realistic in the sense that it is more rendered. Is it right? no. Most people are missing all the fundamentals and someone who understands more will notice more and more mistakes. If you have no grasp of the fundamentals, make elementary mistakes, how can people say it's easy? No offence to anyone.

luv2
06 Dec, 2015 9:14 pm

I just noticed this post last night, and thank you Andriani. I aspire to draw as well as you do one day. Trying to draw a realistic picture is indeed very hard especially in canvas draw with the temperamental tools. I also use a ref or personal photo in my drawings and try to make it my own in some fashion with cropping and colors. 
  Drawing a very realistic portrait well, is a gift in my opinion. I think very few have mastered that kind of drawing here. It takes a good deal of time and effort. Most of my drawings are in the 3-5 hour time frame, some less some more.
  I would definitely nominate you Andriani, I think effort, and your realistic fabulous drawings would definitely beat any artists original grade school look.
  I've been on this site for a few years and I'm still learning. The point is to enjoy what you're doing and to appreciate other artists style who you admire.
  Originality is great and kudos to those who do it well, but mastering a reproduction is also a definite talent! 
That said, happy drawing everyone.  ツ

vis_in_vis
06 Dec, 2015 3:49 pm

ok i won t quote anything cause is too much to read ))  i used to hate realism until the moment i finally found a reason to like it and then i ve learned how to draw and i can say it is really easy , but the part in the brain that is used to copy something is other that the one used for creation , so yeah.. someone who cares to improve should learn and master realism , but if that person can t get over it , then should not be featured here..cause that was all about , about being capable to bring something new , and show yourself , not show what some other artist did ..cause we all know what they did ..
and i do believe that age has absolutely no importance , you can be 2 years old and a great artist and being a kid and having a kid imagination is great
but not a disney brainwashed kid )))

Andriani
06 Dec, 2015 1:17 pm

I was about to reply to peecasso's comment on art as well but u totally covered  everything I had in my mind alythefab
As a matter of fact I believe realism may be the most difficult art of all because as u said need a lot of skill and very good observation of details . I am personally fascinated by realism and I'm trying very hard to improve myself and become great at capturing details and I may spend months on a drawing (like what I'm curently doing now) and anyone who says that realism is very easy is simply inexperienced in the matter . Although if we talk about creativity well yeah producing ur own art is obviously more creative than copying but up to a certain extend I'd say .. It depends on how much work and effort u put into it in my opinion so if u just doodle without any plan of what ur doing  isn't as creative as trying to redraw a picture but giving it ur own taste playing a little with the colors and generally using ur style .
And about Disney and fantasy and cartoon/anime i don't see peecasso's point.. It doesn't even make sense that these styles are for 8 year olds.. I think we should respect every type of art because each has a great value and we can't underestimate it .. And just because usually kids like fantasy art and cartoons and anime (although anime is widely liked but many people including adults especially cuz there are MANY anime that are not for kids and cartoons of course ..) doesn't mean they only appeal to kids and peecasso I think u should do ur research first so that u have formed an opinion that is not prejudiced .

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